Comments on: I Miss the Depth of the Old Hymns http://www.rpmministries.org/2009/11/i-miss-the-depth-of-the-old-hymns/ Changing Lives with Christ's Changeless Truth Fri, 03 Sep 2010 12:38:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Sophia http://www.rpmministries.org/2009/11/i-miss-the-depth-of-the-old-hymns/comment-page-1/#comment-3321 Sophia Sat, 10 Jul 2010 20:04:22 +0000 http://www.rpmministries.org/?p=1124#comment-3321 The transformation in our congregations is heartbreaking. Hymns are foreign to most teens, children and new believers. We've sold our rich sacred music for a contemporary bowl of beans. Thankfully, we've found some excellent online radio stations (fbcradioDOTorg) that play classic Christian sacred music. Oh yes, Moms & Dads, Cedarmont Kids has an excellent CD of Hymns for your little ones--great car music that you will also enjoy. Our family loves the traditional Songs of Zion! The transformation in our congregations is heartbreaking. Hymns are foreign to most teens, children and new believers. We’ve sold our rich sacred music for a contemporary bowl of beans. Thankfully, we’ve found some excellent online radio stations (fbcradioDOTorg) that play classic Christian sacred music. Oh yes, Moms & Dads, Cedarmont Kids has an excellent CD of Hymns for your little ones–great car music that you will also enjoy. Our family loves the traditional Songs of Zion!

]]> By: Vincent Murphy http://www.rpmministries.org/2009/11/i-miss-the-depth-of-the-old-hymns/comment-page-1/#comment-293 Vincent Murphy Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:11:43 +0000 http://www.rpmministries.org/?p=1124#comment-293 Hi; thanks for the reply. Happy to help with guessing the meter for a few worship songs if you would find it useful; give me a youtube link (preferred) and I will give you a suggested meter, and if you would like, a list of a few matching hymns (these would be from Hymns Ancient Modern & Revised though). Hi; thanks for the reply. Happy to help with guessing the meter for a few worship songs if you would find it useful; give me a youtube link (preferred) and I will give you a suggested meter, and if you would like, a list of a few matching hymns (these would be from Hymns Ancient Modern & Revised though).

]]> By: Bob http://www.rpmministries.org/2009/11/i-miss-the-depth-of-the-old-hymns/comment-page-1/#comment-292 Bob Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:23:23 +0000 http://www.rpmministries.org/?p=1124#comment-292 Kim, I like your thinking of blending the best of both worlds. I, too, enjoy the spirit (and the Spirit) of praise and worship that is frequently associated with the praise choruses we sing. If/when we blend that with the theological depth of the "old hymns" we do enjoy the best of both worlds: heaven and earth! Kim, I like your thinking of blending the best of both worlds. I, too, enjoy the spirit (and the Spirit) of praise and worship that is frequently associated with the praise choruses we sing. If/when we blend that with the theological depth of the “old hymns” we do enjoy the best of both worlds: heaven and earth!

]]> By: Bob http://www.rpmministries.org/2009/11/i-miss-the-depth-of-the-old-hymns/comment-page-1/#comment-291 Bob Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:21:46 +0000 http://www.rpmministries.org/?p=1124#comment-291 Bode, Thank you for the link. I hope my blog readers will take a look at your resources for worship with theological depth. Bode, Thank you for the link. I hope my blog readers will take a look at your resources for worship with theological depth.

]]> By: Bob http://www.rpmministries.org/2009/11/i-miss-the-depth-of-the-old-hymns/comment-page-1/#comment-290 Bob Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:20:49 +0000 http://www.rpmministries.org/?p=1124#comment-290 Vincent, Thank you for that example. I have often thought the same thing--that we could and should take some of the great hymns and use them in our praise worship today. I've seen it done with several songs and would like it done with 100s more. Vincent, Thank you for that example. I have often thought the same thing–that we could and should take some of the great hymns and use them in our praise worship today. I’ve seen it done with several songs and would like it done with 100s more.

]]> By: Bode Ososami http://www.rpmministries.org/2009/11/i-miss-the-depth-of-the-old-hymns/comment-page-1/#comment-286 Bode Ososami Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:17:57 +0000 http://www.rpmministries.org/?p=1124#comment-286 My thoughts exactly...I actually wrote a book on this "Worship in Spirit and in Truth" ...you can order through my blog http://recessionproofchristianlife.com/ or read the entire book for free on http://books.google.com/books/p/pub-9132860595461394?id=qd-bMXwiFkwC&dq=worship+in+spirit+and++in+truth&source=gbs_navlinks_s ( its quite long ...simply copy URL) What passes for worship these days do not contain enough meat to strengthen the saints to withstand the storms we are taught must come to all. And the greatest storm is subtle deception. There is also an antichrist agenda with music...no doubt. My favourite hymn is ...My faith has found a resting place... God bless you..for this post. My thoughts exactly…I actually wrote a book on this “Worship in Spirit and in Truth” …you can order through my blog http://recessionproofchristianlife.com/ or read the entire book for free on http://books.google.com/books/p/pub-9132860595461394?id=qd-bMXwiFkwC&dq=worship+in+spirit+and++in+truth&source=gbs_navlinks_s
( its quite long …simply copy URL)

What passes for worship these days do not contain enough meat to strengthen the saints to withstand the storms we are taught must come to all. And the greatest storm is subtle deception. There is also an antichrist agenda with music…no doubt. My favourite hymn is …My faith has found a resting place…

God bless you..for this post.

]]> By: Kimberly Graham http://www.rpmministries.org/2009/11/i-miss-the-depth-of-the-old-hymns/comment-page-1/#comment-285 Kimberly Graham Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:57:41 +0000 http://www.rpmministries.org/?p=1124#comment-285 I agree ... I grieve that I lost my old Baptist Hymnal and my kids are not exposed to these songs like I was!! They are ingrained, not only in my mind, but their truth is ingrained in my spirit!! When I am facing hard times, it is those old hymns that I can so easily recall after 10+ years away from them, that get me through! There are some modern praise and worship songs that reach that depth of theology ... but not many! BUT on the flip side of the coin - there is NOTHING like singing Amazing Grace, It is Well with My Soul, Holy Holy Holy, I Come to the Garden Alone ... in the heartfelt freedom and abandon that we have found at our church!! There is something amazing and living and powerful in the words pouring from a family of Spirit-filled Christians being led by a Worship Pastor who believes it is more than words on a page, but that ANYTHING we sing should be to God and put us on our faces before His Holiness and Glory!So much more connected than "sing stanza 1-3, and 5 and sit down" ... I blend the best of both worlds ... the real-ness and freedom of "modern worship" with the power and message of the old hymns! :) I agree … I grieve that I lost my old Baptist Hymnal and my kids are not exposed to these songs like I was!! They are ingrained, not only in my mind, but their truth is ingrained in my spirit!! When I am facing hard times, it is those old hymns that I can so easily recall after 10+ years away from them, that get me through! There are some modern praise and worship songs that reach that depth of theology … but not many! BUT on the flip side of the coin – there is NOTHING like singing Amazing Grace, It is Well with My Soul, Holy Holy Holy, I Come to the Garden Alone … in the heartfelt freedom and abandon that we have found at our church!! There is something amazing and living and powerful in the words pouring from a family of Spirit-filled Christians being led by a Worship Pastor who believes it is more than words on a page, but that ANYTHING we sing should be to God and put us on our faces before His Holiness and Glory!So much more connected than “sing stanza 1-3, and 5 and sit down” … I blend the best of both worlds … the real-ness and freedom of “modern worship” with the power and message of the old hymns! :)

]]> By: Vincent Murphy http://www.rpmministries.org/2009/11/i-miss-the-depth-of-the-old-hymns/comment-page-1/#comment-283 Vincent Murphy Wed, 25 Nov 2009 04:14:06 +0000 http://www.rpmministries.org/?p=1124#comment-283 Example: "Our God is an Awesome God" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH3OEfapLnc&feature=related Go to 2:10 in and pick up the praise chorus; it has approximately a 66.66 meter. This fits perfectly with old hymns such as: "Thy kingdom come, O God, thy rule, O Christ, begin; break with thine iron rod the tyrannies of sin." ...or... "Lord, be thy word my rule, in it may I rejoice; thy glory be my aim, thy holy will my choice" Example: “Our God is an Awesome God” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH3OEfapLnc&feature=related
Go to 2:10 in and pick up the praise chorus; it has approximately a 66.66 meter. This fits perfectly with old hymns such as:

“Thy kingdom come,
O God, thy rule, O Christ, begin;
break with thine iron rod
the tyrannies of sin.”
…or…
“Lord, be thy word my rule,
in it may I rejoice;
thy glory be my aim,
thy holy will my choice”

]]> By: Vincent Murphy http://www.rpmministries.org/2009/11/i-miss-the-depth-of-the-old-hymns/comment-page-1/#comment-282 Vincent Murphy Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:53:55 +0000 http://www.rpmministries.org/?p=1124#comment-282 Modern styles and praise teams are not incompatible with the theological content of old hymns, or even the words themselves. If you review your old hymnbook you will (usually) see every hymn has its meter written at the top, e.g. I have here "Lovest thou me?" with a meter of 77.77. Now, find a modern praise song which matches that meter; ideally it should be four lines per verse, seven 'stresses' per line, preferably suited to two couplets. Just hum the tune of the modern praise song and count the 'stresses' per line. Perhaps then make a record on your blog for everyone else to refer to! Hymnals usually have a Metrical Index, at least in the music edition - once you find one modern tune that matches a defined meter, you can then find a listing of older hymns that share it. I see 22 hymns in my hymnal that share 77.77. The words and the tunes of hymns have often been interchanged; and I see no reason why this should not continue today with modern praise music. I will try to do a worked example for you once I can find a modern praise song to refer to! Modern styles and praise teams are not incompatible with the theological content of old hymns, or even the words themselves. If you review your old hymnbook you will (usually) see every hymn has its meter written at the top, e.g. I have here “Lovest thou me?” with a meter of 77.77. Now, find a modern praise song which matches that meter; ideally it should be four lines per verse, seven ‘stresses’ per line, preferably suited to two couplets. Just hum the tune of the modern praise song and count the ‘stresses’ per line. Perhaps then make a record on your blog for everyone else to refer to! Hymnals usually have a Metrical Index, at least in the music edition – once you find one modern tune that matches a defined meter, you can then find a listing of older hymns that share it. I see 22 hymns in my hymnal that share 77.77.

The words and the tunes of hymns have often been interchanged; and I see no reason why this should not continue today with modern praise music. I will try to do a worked example for you once I can find a modern praise song to refer to!

]]> By: Melinda Lancaster http://www.rpmministries.org/2009/11/i-miss-the-depth-of-the-old-hymns/comment-page-1/#comment-281 Melinda Lancaster Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:39:54 +0000 http://www.rpmministries.org/?p=1124#comment-281 My feelings echo yours, Dr. Kellemen. Not only do I miss the depth of the old hymns I am saddened by the shallowness of the body of Christ. We have neglected important doctrines in our worship as well as in the delivering of the Word. As a result we have many confused people, some who are not even saved but don't know it, within the ranks of the church. It is my prayer that we will embrace the essential doctrines of Christology, hamartiology, and soteriology again. The Gospel cost Christ everthing. I hate to see it cheapened repeatedly and embraced as the whole Word rightly divided when in reality we are not even coming close. My feelings echo yours, Dr. Kellemen. Not only do I miss the depth of the old hymns I am saddened by the shallowness of the body of Christ. We have neglected important doctrines in our worship as well as in the delivering of the Word. As a result we have many confused people, some who are not even saved but don’t know it, within the ranks of the church.

It is my prayer that we will embrace the essential doctrines of Christology, hamartiology, and soteriology again. The Gospel cost Christ everthing. I hate to see it cheapened repeatedly and embraced as the whole Word rightly divided when in reality we are not even coming close.

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